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Rebco One Weigh Scale System 110-1112
Part Number: REB-110-1112
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  • Description
  • Scaling Made Simple
  • Scaling Properly
  • One Weigh Scale Instructions
  • Reviews

Computer control box and cables packed in a hard-shell case for maximum protection.

Now Includes Base Line Memory Recall

Standard Features Include:

  • New lightweight satin finished aluminum pads made by LMF™ - Liquid Metal Forging process
  • Full-time display of four individual wheel weights and total vehicle weight - or - ALL percentages at once on one oversized, easy-to-read display
  • Touch of one button displays either weights or percentages
  • 1 slot memory
  • Carrying case for electronics and tangle free cables
  • High quality load cells ensure accuracy and repeatability to within 1/10 of 1%
  • NEW 15" x 15" x 2.5" scale pads with 1,500 pounds per pad capacity - flat to .010" - with convenient carrying handle (4 pads included)
  • 2 Year Limited Warranty
  • Manufactured by REBCO Performance Products, USA


Scaling Made Simple


Scaling your race car is arguably one the most important practices that you can do to increase your chance of visiting victory lane. Proper chassis set up requires that the weight balance is set correctly for the car, driver and track conditions. In order to achieve proper and repeatable weight balance a quality set of electronic scales will need to be obtained.

 

Before you begin the scaling process you should make sure that the car is race ready. Fluid levels need to be topped off, stagger & tire are pressure set, ride heights adjusted, Caster adjusted, Camber set, rear end square and the toe checked. You will also need to take advantage of the maximum left side weight and check to see if your total weight is within the rules and the front to rear balance is where you and your chassis builder want it. Emphasis should be placed on being race ready before you begin the final scaling procedure as all of these factors will have an effect on the end result.

Now that you are ready for your final scaling procedure you will need to find a level area to weigh the car. Most garage floors vary by quite a bit. Spend a few minutes with a good level and straight edge and mark four spots on the floor that you can use each time you want to scale the car. Make sure that you mark the floor to match up with your wheel base and track width.

Should the floor have low spots you can use simple shims to make all four scale pads level or utilize some leveling trays to speed up the job. Mark the shims or trays with LF, RF, LR, RR so that you can quickly repeat the process each and every week. Consistency is the goal when scaling so weighing the car in the same spot each and every week will improve your chances of having a great handling car.

Now that you have a level surface you can roll the car into position. Set the scale pads next to the appropriate tire and hook up the cables. Make sure that the cables are plugged into the correct pad and turn the scales on. Check that there is no weight on the scale pads and press the zero button. The control box should now read zero and you are ready to place the pads under the car.

Jack up one side at a time and slide the pads under the tires. Place the car in gear or use a stop to keep the car on the scales. Verify that the sway bar is disconnected or completely neutral with plenty of slop. At this point, give the rear of the car a firm settle by placing your knee on the rear bumper. Then do the same at the front.

After settling the front and rear I like to grab the roof roll bar and shake the car several times. I try to let go right in the middle. By settling the car and shaking the roof bar you are helping to insure that the shocks are not hanging up and that you have worked out any small binds in the suspension points. Try to do the settling procedure consistently as this will help you obtain repeatable results. Settle the car after each time you raise it with a jack or make an adjustment.

You can now record your wheel weights, partial weights and percentages. Check that the front to rear balance is correct and that the left side and total are where they need to be. If not then move the lead to the appropriate spot until you are happy. Readjust the ride heights if you have to move lead around.

Now you can check the cross weight. If you want to add cross weight put a turn in the right front and left rear and take a turn out of the left front and right rear. On non coil over cars you may need to go two turns on the rear for every one turn on the front. By adjusting all four corners you will help maintain your ride heights.

Now you can set the sway bar. With the car still on the scales you can see exactly how pre-load you are putting on the bar. Record your final settings and you are ready to go.

Commonly Asked Questions

  • Should you weigh with the driver in or out?

    You can do it either way as long as you consider the variables. Personally, I like to see the driver in the car during the set up process as he is going to be in the car when it goes around the corner. Driver weight tends to vary a bit so having the driver in the car insures the most repeatable results.

    You can weigh with out the driver as long as you consider the variables that will change. As long as you factor ride height changes and the weight differential scaling with out the driver can work fine. It is really a matter of personal choice.

  • How level do the scales need to be?

    We get asked that a lot. For optimum results the closer to exact the better when it comes to level. Sometimes you can compromise. Picture a thick piece of flat glass with scale pads resting on top. Start with the glass perfectly level and your results will be perfect. Now take the glass and lower the front by one inch. The four scale pads are still in the same plane in relation to each other on the glass. In this scenario the effect from the front being lower will be very small. You can picture the same thing lowing the left side by one inch and still get good results.

    Now picture a ½" shim on the glass under the Left Rear and Right Front corners or just under any one corner. Your scale numbers will go nuts. The shims will be shown as cross weight on the scales. The bottom line is that you need to maintain scale pads within the same plane. Raising one corner or opposing corners is going to effect your readings. In general, it is best to keep the scales as level as possible.

  • Do I have to re-zero the scales if I make a change?

    Most scale models allow you to make as many adjustments as needed with out re-zeroing. Simply make your adjustments, settle the car and record your results.

  • Can I change the left side or rear weight by turning the jack screws?

    You can turn all day and you will not move the left side or rear weight with the jack screws. To make changes to Left side or Rear percentages you will need to move lead or other mass within the car.

Scaling Properly

Scaling Properly

 
Table of Contents
 
  1. Race Ready
  2. Setting up the Scales
  3. Repeating the Process
  4. Documentation
  5. Note Taking at the Track
  6. Scaling at the Track
  7. Changing a Spring and Getting the Bite Right
  8. Verifying Your Changes Back at the Shop
  9. Battery or 110 Volt
  10. Common Problems
  11. Display Disappears
A. Race Ready
In order to scale your car properly it must be ready to go. For the most accurate results the car must be fully prepared. If it is not "race ready" then any changes that you make will have an effect on your final setup and what you have put in your notes. So, what do you need to have done to be "race ready"?
Fuel Full
Radiator Full
Oil tank full and motor ran or too much oil can be in the pan
Gear oil full
Transmission full
Power steering full
Lead bolted in
Stagger set
Tire pressure set
Camber set
Rear end square
"Race ready" means that the next thing that the car will do is go around the racetrack. Keep in mind the changes that will be made to the weights if you attempt to scale the car before it is ready to go.
B. Setting up the Scales
Now that you have the car properly prepared you can get the scales our to begin the scaling process.
Lay the pads flat at each corner and plug in the corresponding cable. Double check that the cables are plugged in correctly or you will waste a lot of time reading bad numbers. Let them warm up for two or three minutes.
Once the cables are plugged in and your scale system is turned on, press the zero button and insure that each corner weighs zero with the pads flat on the ground. The pads must be flat or you will not zero out the top casting. Verify that the scales do not need charging.
At this point have one of your crewmembers stand on each pad. He should weigh within a pound or two on each one. If all is well, then check that the scales have returned to zero. At this point jack up the car and slide the pads under each wheel.
C. Repeating the Process
To insure that you get the same results each time you must go through the same routine each and every time. Since you just lowered the car onto the scales you need to work out all of the chassis binds, hysterisis and scrub from the tires by going through a settling routine.
You can do this by firmly bouncing the rear of the car, then bouncing the front, and then shaking the roof bar above the driver's head. Try to let go in the middle each and every time.
Roll off type trays help as well, but some very successful teams do not use them. For example, Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt do not use roll off trays, but Rusty Wallace and Dale Jarrett do. Either way, if you go through the same routine each time you will get great results.
If you make an adjustment to the wedge, move lead, adjust stagger or make any other adjustment, you will need to go through the settling routine to insure repeatable results.
Once you get your favorite set up in the car you are almost done with the scale job. Write it all down in an organized fashion and now you are completed and ready to win.
D. Documentation
In order to be fast each and every week you must keep good notes. Be sure to write down your scale readings as well as the shock, spring, sway bar, Panhard height, linkage angles, arm lengths, stagger and all other pertinent information. It is one thing to be fast. It is another to know how you did it and to be able to repeat the process.
E. Note Taking at the Track
Once you get to the track be sure to note each change and the results including lap times and number of laps run. You should assign a person to this task that is there every week and is detail oriented. Get a form to keep the information the same way week in and week out.
F. Scaling at the Track
When you scale at the track you must find level ground or your readings will be off. You can short cut the system by getting 2 strings and four guys. Have the guy at the RF hold one string and another guy hold the other end at the LR. Have a guy at the LF and another at the RR each holding another string on opposite ends. The strings will now make an X in the center. If the top string is higher than the bottom string then the other two pads will need to be shimmed up. If the top string holds down the bottom string then those two pads need to be shimmed up. By using this stringing process the pads will be placed in the same plane. They may not be quite level, but by being in the same plane your cross weights will be correct.
Another trick is to find fairly level ground upon arrival at the track. Right when you get there weigh the car. Mark the ground by tracing around the scale pads with chalk. If your scales have memory you can get in the habit of putting your shop set up in memory one and then put the track reading in memory 2. You can now compare the bite between the shop and the new reading taken at the track. If the track reading shows 1 percent more bite you will know that the ground is out of level by that amount. By knowing the difference you will have a baseline to return to if needed.
Scales must be exactly level in order to get perfect results. However, the two methods described above are short cuts that get the job done without too much compromise.
G. Changing a Spring and Getting the Bite Right
Should you want to change a spring at the track you will want to use the scales to insure that you have made only a spring change and not a cross weight change at the same time. Set your air pressure and then weigh the car and take a reference height measurement from the fender or frame rail down to the ground. Write the scale numbers and reference number down.
You can then change the spring. I like to measure the free height of the spring that is going in and compare it to the one that is coming out. Lets say you have a 400-pound spring in the RF and you are going to change to a 375. The 400 is 12 1/8" and the 375 is 12" exactly. You can estimate that the 375 will need about 1/8 more pre-load to maintain ride height (1 turn on coarse thread coil-overs or 2 turns on fine thread) then add in the free height difference. You will now be in the ballpark. Verify your reference number to the ground and then weigh the car. Fine-tune the adjuster until the scale numbers come back to the original bite numbers.
I even chart my springs so that I know how many turns to put in or out when I go from my numbered 375 to a different numbered 400. The chart allows me to change springs when I am in a hurry and am unable to get the precision offered by weighing the car to get the bite back. Basically, I do the work in the shop to save valuable practice time at the track.
H. Verifying Your Changes Back at the Shop
Many times changes happen fast and furious at the track. Each week you should fill your car with fluids upon arrival back at your shop. You have to fuel up to do the setup for the next week so you might as well get in the routine of doing that early in the week. Set the air pressure and weigh the car. Take good notes and you will insure that you will get consistency when you return to the track that you just ran over the weekend.
I. Battery or 110 Volt
Most scales are designed to work on the battery as long as it is charged up. By running on the battery you will extend the battery life. Battery design life is two to four years. By running on battery power you will get a stable consistent supply of power to your system. If you get a low battery indication you can plug into 110 Volt power and finish the job. By running on the battery you will extend the battery's design life.
Should you choose to plug in all the time this will work fine as well. However, more heat will be generated in the battery thus reducing the battery life span. I recommend running on battery power whenever possible.
J. Common Problems
My wedge changes?
Wedge will change due to a variety of things that are explained below. When you notice a wedge change have a look at the total weight. If the total is the same then odds are your scales are operating fine and there is something in the car that needs correcting. If the total changes by more than a few pounds then you could suspect a scale problem and should call the manufacturer for more direction.
  1. Stagger effect

Cars that run high amounts of stagger and a locked up rear end can experience changing wedge due to the tires getting read to "skip" like when you are push through the pits around a tight turn. Weight will momentarily be miss-applied as the tires excerpt force through the rear end gears. The axles literally climb up the ring gear causing an occasional wedge variance. To avoid stagger effect problems simply remove an axle cap and pull the an axle out past the spline on the rear hub. You can even see the stagger affect on cars with differentials however it is less common.

  1. Chassis binds

I. A-Arms
Sometimes A-arms can be in a bit of a bind to get the caster right. This usually happens when more shims are used on one A-arm bolt than the other. You can see wedge numbers change due to this added resistance. Try to avoid uneven shimming and be sure to keep your A-arms greased at all times.

II. Ball Joints
Ball joints have a fair amount of friction and need to be greased often. The friction can cause wedge variations if the car is not settled properly. Damaged ball joints should be replaced.

III. Sway Bar
When weighing your car or making spring changes you should always have the sway bar disconnected. Many of the wedge variances I hear about are due to sway bar binds. I connect the sway bar only after the weigh process is completed. On late models I like to load the bar with 1/2% of wedge. On Cup style cars I like the bar to be completely neutral. You can set the bar to your liking but try to do it the same way each time and note your weight readings with the sway bar load if it is not set to neutral.

IV. Camber Changes
When you adjust camber you are changing the tilt of the tire. Adding camber changes the wedge in the car to a small degree. Keep this in mind when recording your weights. If camber is changed, wedge will change a bit as well.

V. Shock Rebound
Shocks with high amounts of rebound can artificially hold weight in a corner, especially when cold. Settling the car usually works the hydraulic fluid to get consistent readings. However, high amounts of rebound can make the weighing process harder. If possible, disconnect the shocks. On coil over type cars settle the car thoroughly.

VI. Tire Pressure Changes
Air pressure changes moves cross weight and will change the numbers on all four corners of the car. Be sure to have the air pressure set before you begin the weigh job. I have seen slow leaking tires or bleeders that are still bleeding cause the weigh job to be a real hassle as the wedge keeps moving every time you check it. Be sure the tires hold air before you begin.

VII. Stagger Changes
Make sure the stagger is set. More rear stagger takes bite out of the car. Less rear stagger puts bite in the car. More front stagger puts bite in the car. Less front stagger takes bite out of the car. Make sure you do your shop set up including ride heights with the proper amount of air pressure and tire stagger.

  1. Total changes

Total weight changes indicate that something is interfering with the free movement of the top casting on the scale pads or there is a problem with your system.

I have seen Winston Cup teams make leveling trays that rub the sides of the top castings on the scale pads. The interference can cause weight variances in the 30 pound range. Make sure that the top casting on the your pads is free to move.

  1. Scale numbers bounce

I. Damaged cables
A damaged or smashed cable can cause the numbers to bounce. Inspect the cable for damage. If damage is found order a new cable. If you are in a bind you can do a quick repair job. Insure that the system is off and cut the bad section out of the cable. Splice the wires together color to color and tape up. The quick repair will get you by until a new cable arrives.

II. Moisture in the connectors
If water gets in the scale connectors the moisture interferes with the scale signal and a bouncing will occur. The fix is to dry out the connectors with a heat gun or put them over a heat register over night. Usually, the system returns to normal when the connectors dry out.

III. Dead battery
A dead battery will cause many different problems. If you experience any kind of trouble then plug the scales into 110 volt and see if the problem is cured. Extremely dead batteries might require some charging before the system returns to normal operation.

Old batteries can short out internally and can interfere with proper scale operation even when plugged into 110 volt power. Battery design life is typically 2-4 years.

K. Display Disappears
Liquid crystal displays will disappear when exposed to direct sunlight. At times people think that scale has suffered damage. Avoid leaving the scales or any liquid crystal product in the sunlight. To cure the problem simply put the item in the shade. When the LCD cools down the numbers will reappear.
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